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Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:24 pm
by keith
2LB carrots
Big Handfull of white sprouting broccoli
Large Swede
Large Cabbage

Just under £2

Potatoes currently £3-4 a 25Kg Bag

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:56 pm
by REI
Farm labour works really cheap.

John Corey

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:43 pm
by keith
Some of it is actually "waste" !

Supermarkets want regular shaped and sized Veg, us country Folk are hapy to eat Irregular shaped Swedes, Forked carrots, Cabbage that is too big/small etc

One thing we get lots of cauliflower that has been nicked on the curd whilst being trimmed, supermarkets won't touch it, ditto ones with a splash of mud,

We even get Potatoes that are destined for cattle feed, they've been washed etc, but in the packing shed they can be irregular shapes, small blemishes or even too big, we can buy those dirt cheap,

It all tastes the same when it's cooked

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:58 pm
by REI
Keith,

Where is the problem? Is it the supermarkets who sell what the shoppers will buy or is it the shoppers who do not realize it taste the same? Maybe it is an educational issue. Or maybe it is a standards issue where the state tries to set minimum standards and we lose out on the margins.

In a free market people will buy what they want yet many will stick to what they know.

Jamie's campaign to raise standards clearly indicates that part of the problem is some segments of the population do not even understand what it means to cook their own food.

Rural is not better by a single measure that is somehow an absolute. Rural is different. It has its pluses and minuses. On some things it is even hard to accurately measure the differences so a score can be assigned.

John Corey

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:50 am
by keith
Transport is a great one to look at

Currently buses are subsidised per mile, under pressure from the big cities the current Government are proposing a per passenger subsidy.

This means many rural routes will be totally uneconomic, yet they used the argument of good local transport connections to justify closing village Post Offices.

many Places in rural areas such as Lincolnshire have 1 bus each way a day if they are lucky.

Rural folk often can't get to work on public Transport cos there isn't any, in my own case walk 1/2 a mile to the bus stop, 8 mile journey into town, Swop buses 30 mile journey to work, I'd have to leave home at just after 6 to get in for 9. Total cost more than taking the car.

Go into Town at night and get a taxi home ( forgetting about going in or fetching cars back ) costs about £20 in a taxi, in the cities with a good public transport system you'd paya fraction of that

Personally I think one of the issues is that so many people in power have never lived in or experienced rural life they don't understand the problems

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:19 am
by Nick
Keith,

Why shouldn't people in rural areas pay the price of transport, what is the logic in asking city dwellers to subsidise those who chose to live in the country?

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:25 am
by REI
Nick wrote:Keith,

Why shouldn't people in rural areas pay the price of transport, what is the logic in asking city dwellers to subsidise those who chose to live in the country?


A great question Nick.

John Corey

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:55 pm
by keith
Why should buses be subsidised per passenger not per mile travelled, basically a bus uses give or take the same amount of fuel to travel 1 mile if there are 2 or 52 people on it.

Another example

under the grant formula the London Police get £259 per head of population, east midlands average is £115
Crimes per 1,000 population London 111 East midlands 87
Grant per Crime is £2343 in London, 1330 in East midlands

yet the east midlands will have far higher fuel costs because of the sparcity factor, will require more buildings & vehicles for the same reason, typical unfair government ideas

Of course the area that benefit tend to elect labour Councils, those that suffer tory or lib dem

coincidence - I think not

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:06 am
by Nick
keith wrote:Why should buses be subsidised per passenger not per mile travelled, basically a bus uses give or take the same amount of fuel to travel 1 mile if there are 2 or 52 people on it.


Because the buses reason for travelling is for carrying passengers a bus carrying 52 passengers is 52 times more beneficial than one carrying 1 passengers. By your logic the buses ought to travel empty and not stop.

keith wrote:under the grant formula the London Police get £259 per head of population, east midlands average is £115


Unfortunately comparing any police force with the Met just doesn't work. The Met. recruits and trains more police officers than all the other forces combined. Half of police officers work for the Met. which do a number of national jobs (e.g. The Flying Squad) courtesy of London being the capital. South Wales police simply couldn't cope if Cardiff or Swansea were promoted to the Premiership - they don't have enough officers to police the games.

keith wrote:Of course the area that benefit tend to elect labour Councils, those that suffer tory or lib dem


A powerful argument for voting Labour which I just cannot counter.

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:02 am
by Lynda
Keith you haven't taken into account the fact that the cost of living is higher in the London area - property, food etc.

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:59 pm
by keith
But so are wages

Average for IT in London £50K plus

East Midlands about £20K

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:50 pm
by REI
keith wrote:But so are wages

Average for IT in London £50K plus

East Midlands about £20K


Is this British logic in action? What makes rural better given the info above?

I am not saying one is better or worse. Just curious as to what the message is when you remove the obtuse logic.

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:07 pm
by james11
I'm in total agreement with what Lynda has said. Keith has missed the must.

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:39 am
by james11
Costs are high and awful. Rural life is still better.

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:45 pm
by slagthemoff
It's quiet and that works for me :D :D

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:21 pm
by Lynda
A year or so ago I would have agreed with you. We now live in a close so there is no passing traffic at all and hardly any noise at all at night. Neither my husband nor I have slept as well since we came here.

Before we lived on a busy main road and our bedroom was at the front of the house. I still don't regret moving though.

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:34 pm
by slagthemoff
We had the same problem - it went away and I would NEVER move back to town :dance:

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:51 pm
by Nick
I'm a country boy too, but actually ..... the Cotswolds are noisier than Pimlico - the birds make such a racket in the mornings, whilst central London is deadly quiet.

Slag - you up for some more PHP trouble shooting?

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:34 pm
by slagthemoff
That's odd - I replied with a 'yes' and there it isn't???

Re: Why Rural life is better

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:20 pm
by Nick
slagthemoff wrote:That's odd - I replied with a 'yes' and there it isn't???


I had a fit of thread tidying & moved it to start a new thread in the Techie Forum.